Way comfier and nicer fabric than I was expecting. Be forewarned that (with most of these pants) if you are short & curvy or stocky, almost always, even with these, they are bulkier with the sheer amount of fabric than they look on the models-this tends to puff out in the back if you're smaller or in general, so its important to check the side profile and behind views if available. I wasnt happy with how these fit when I first put them on, was quite disappointed (comfy but wasnt flattering on me) , but had to get to know them a little and they're gonna be THE BEST once i add some thigh gaiters. That said utilize the side buttons on these cuts to twist/gather the extra fabric around the knees and pull it through. Its gonna take a little customization work for me to turn these into my personal dream pants but I'm really excited about the style, fabric, and starting product to work with for my pickiness. Also the pockets are GREAT and i thought everything would fall out of them but they're surprisingly secure (and huge). Will be adding some compartments / a phone pocket to mine.